FMCSA studying harassment issues with electronic logs

By CCJ Staff on

Can or do carriers use electronic onboard recorders to harass drivers?

That’s what the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration has set out to find, and it’s seeking feedback on a survey that examines harassment and coercion of drivers relative to EOBRs, due in large part to the mandate that was passed in July as part of the MAP-21 highway funding bill.

The survey itself seeks to understand the ways and the extent to which carriers or even those working in enforcement could use EOBRs to harass or coerce drivers. 

The agency wants to interview 500 drivers and hundreds of carriers. For more on the agency’s efforts or to participate, see Overdrive‘s report.

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IamnotI
IamnotI

quotes from "Rhumah"

 

"Frankly this argument is PC bogus, those that are complaining are those who have been doing it wrong for so long whether intentionally or not, or thought they knew how to get around the system."

 

Frankly your argument is bogus.  You can't even name one of things that you're so sure are being done incorrectly, which suggest you yourself don't know your way around the system.

 

 

"In terms of the drivers they tend to be skeptics at first anyway as I was, however over the span of just less than two years the scoring such as it is under CSA 2010 has “dropped off a cliff” for us to coin a phrase. Bottom line, the positives outweigh the negative in almost every category."

 

If there are so many positives how come you can't even name one of them?

 

 

"With GPS, and ECM accesses to accurate log reviews and falsification auditing, we’ve cut 50 man hours a week to 30 minutes a day. Essential to easing the pressure as it pertains to 395.8 falsification for both the driver and the us (the Carrier)."

 

Very interesting BUT my imaginary trucking company still runs a lot more efficiently than your imaginary trucking company.

 

 

"Too add, the historical information that can be provided by these systems is tremendous, both from a operations standpoint to a safety compliance measure. This type of information is something that can be tracked and managed as this regulation nation, better control of the business destiny is essential to profitability and job creation."

 

Yeah yeah yeah I get it, your interest in "regulating" and "controlling" people is duly noted.  This behaviour you are exhibiting is typical of a small minded bully with nothing of any significance going on in their lives, and to make up for that you put others down to make yourself feel big and important.

 

 

"So my advice to those who feel harassed, find out why you feel that way. The perception of harassment(s)s, you might find that it was necessary by your carrier for you to stay within the regulatory parameters of our business while trucking in commerce."

 

Save the psychiatric advice for the psychiatrists, we both know you are about 2 IQ points away from a turnip.

Gordon A
Gordon A

Quote (creating new processes to allow a driver to come home safely to his family and maybe save a life of an innocent when on the road.) Unquote

Again how is this going to happen. The EOBR will NOT stop speeding, it will NOT stop  improper lane changes, it will NOT stop fatigue, It will NOT stop inattentiveness. It will NOT make drivers use turn signals properly. It will NOT make drivers pass safely.  It will NOT slow them down in bad weather or fog. It will how ever take the  thinking out of the drivers  range of responsibilities. There will no longer be any reason for drivers to excel in their job. They will no longer take the time to help someone on the side of the road because they will not be able to make up the time . It will in fact cost lives that would otherwise be helped.They will be nothing less than a robot controlled by an electronic device called the EOBR.  If the users of this EOBR were honest they would tell you it is for the benefit of business and not the driver. It is for control of the driver only. Few if any benefits for the driver..

NOW  Rrumah or anyone else tell me again how it is going to make our highways safer.. Fact is it won't.

This device is for the uneducated, poorly trained driver that barely passed the driving  school testing and is thrust upon us  and we share the road with and the business that want it for control.

Gordon A
Gordon A

EOBRs are nothing more than a device to control the driver . An ankle bracelet to  monitor the driver in his 6x7 ft cell going down the road.  It does not make our highways safer by any stretch of the imagination.  Trucking Companies  are installing them because they are scared of the government and it's outlandish penalties and purported falsifications along with the CSA garbage laid on us by the unknowing beaurocrats.  According to the government all mistakes are falsifications. BS. We are people not machines and the EOBRs are slowing, one step at a time turning drivers into robots.

If the EOBR's are such a great idea why is the Govt forcing it and why didn't the companies install them  by choice long before now?

Rrumah
Rrumah

Frankly this argument is PC bogus, those that are complaining are those who have been doing it wrong for so long whether intentionally or not, or thought they knew how to get around the system. With the 21st century here and the number of vehicles hitting the road each year and as a consumer nation; EOBR's and the bells and whistles that come with them ensure we have a meaningful view over our operation which consists of  150 trucks and over 400 trailers give or take.  

 

Previously as an opponent of this type of oversight and dealing with the cost of man power and scan logs our experience has been positive and measurable from an operational standpoint to driver acceptance. In terms of the drivers they tend to be skeptics at first anyway as I was, however over the span of just less than two years the scoring such as it is under CSA 2010 has “dropped off a cliff” for us to coin a phrase. Bottom line, the positives outweigh the negative in almost every category.

 

With GPS, and ECM accesses to accurate log reviews and falsification auditing, we’ve cut 50 man hours a week to 30 minutes a day. Essential to easing the pressure as it pertains to 395.8 falsification for both the driver and the us (the Carrier).

 

 Too add, the historical information that can be provided by these systems is tremendous, both from a operations standpoint to a safety compliance measure. This type of information is something that can be tracked and managed as this regulation nation, better control of the business destiny is essential to profitability and job creation. So my advice to those who feel harassed, find out why you feel that way. The perception of harassment(s)s, you might find that it was necessary by your carrier for you to stay within the regulatory parameters of our business while trucking in commerce.

Rrumah
Rrumah

 

Primarily, costs and technology was the issue and frankly it still is, and there was legislation to make it mandatory couple years ago as I recall. It failed…Secondly this type of information system highlights potential dangers, tracks company property and customer loads.

 

It is what you do with it, the information once you have it is now an essential tool in our company to pro-actively remove antiquated procedures, creating new processes to allow a driver to come home safely to his family and maybe save a life of an innocent when on the road. Drivers polled overwhelmingly prefer the EOBR to the paper logs and for various reasons. I think mostly it may legitimize the drivers, gives them peace of mind not manipulating 395 HOS regulations. They don’t have to cheat and puts the onus is on the carriers policies which is now documented and recorded to ensures accountability.

 

Going forward actions taken based on the information provided by EOBR’s can be a successful keystone to viewing a company's overall process and procedures. It’s that information when accessed properly provides and inculcates personnel to the ramifications of possible poor judgment in HOS, routing etc.  

 

It's not about liberty; it’s about the safe transportation and the efforts to improve an ugly industry. It levels the playing field, and it promotes general awareness and culls those who are unwilling or unable to make an adult decision when it comes to transportation safety. Calling a driver’s loved one to tell them of an accident, injury or fatality is an experience that one can only speculate if you've never done it.

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